Should Trump make the best of a bad situation or do something stupid?
Deportation Debate
Sadly, the opinion of Apes is likely the overwhelming favorite X position.
I replied to Fallacy Hunter as follows: I am on record of being in favor of 1. Sealing the border 2. sending back criminals (not counting just being here) 3. Developing a sensible immigration policy 4. Not doing something stupid that could collapse our economy.
Only 8 of 83 Workers Show Up on Construction Site
Here’s a Video on Construction that kicked off this recent deport 20 million meme.
LiveEasy responded …
I own a construction company. More illegals come in looking for work than Americans do. Americans don’t want to do hard labor anymore and some illegals are willing to do anything just to provide for their family. Huge difference in work ethic too. It’s not that the jobs are going to them it’s just if we’re being real Americans go to the union cause of all the benefits they provide and because of the lack of work that’s required to maintain the job. Illegals go to private companies cause they know they won’t get hired by the unions and some private companies pay them a lot cheaper then Americans because they are illegal and guess what they do more work and get the job done quicker and more efficiently.
Further comments blasted LiveEasy but he responded that he does not hire illegals.
BM responded to LiveEasy
Exactly. I own a construction company as well. Americans now days come out of high school or where ever and think they should be starting at freakin $30-$40 an hour. Hispanics are flat out better workers and we still pay them good. $20-30 an hour with paid insurance and benefits.
An Interesting Exchange
“I just love how everybody thinks my comments insinuate that I pay my workers cheap. I’m a small private company I pay my employees extremely well for the positions they are in, well above minimum wage.”
Yes, let’s deport them all “so companies can’t hire them” and see what happens.
What Would Happen?
Send em all back and watch construction collapse, food rot, and hotels and restaurants without staff.
Deport 20 million “no less” says Apes, with only 7 million unemployed.
Imagine the bidding war on labor and all of the inflation that would bring.
The US is already the highest cost producer of steel and autos. Let’s make that the case construction and everything else.
It would surely do wonders for the cost of construction and by implication the cost of a new home.
And I hear it will help Trump increase exports (sarcasm) along with a stagflationary recession followed by economic collapse.
Regarding the 14th Amendment
@AnselLindner asks “What’s more likely? Trump’s high powered Constitutional legal team didn’t see something this obvious, or you’re wrong?”
To which I replied: “I will take door #3. Trump just did not give a damn (like Biden on Student debt)”
What Will Trump Do?
I commented that I don’t know. That train of thought led to this silliness.
Yes, Mexicans paid for a wall, Trump got us out of Afghanistan, and Trade wars are good and easy to win. We have a law on TikTok that Trump promoted and now doesn’t want and illegally suspended.
Will Trump Do What He Says?
Yes on some things, definitely not on others, and perhaps on still others.
Q: Will Trump will seal the border?
A: Yes! And since that is what most of the country wants, let’s give Trump a big genuine high-five.
Q: Will he deport them all?
A: Zero chance
Trump vs Trump
Trump v. Trump is where things get interesting.
In contrast to statements that he would deport them all, Trump has also made two sets of conflicting statements, and so has border czar Homan.
Watered Down Deportation Effort
The Wall Street Journal reports Trump Allies Fear Watered Down Deportation Efforts
“This isn’t going to be neighborhood sweeps and military vehicles going through the city,” Homan said in an interview with Dr. Phil McGraw on Thursday after meeting with New York Mayor Eric Adams. “I told him, you know, President Trump and myself have committed that this is going to be a targeted enforcement operation.”
Behind the scenes, Homan has emphasized pursuing immigrants with final orders of removal and criminals that the government can easily reach, according to people familiar with the matter. Roughly 1.3 million migrants already have orders of deportation from an immigration court.
“I keep getting asked, ‘how many people are you going to deport?’” Homan said in a brief interview. “Well, I don’t know. It depends on the resources we’re given.”
Trump’s hard-line immigration backers say they have noticed a retrenchment. They say they are holding their fire to attempt to influence the incoming president before they criticize him openly.
The president-elect’s allies also are concerned by the Trump team’s willingness to exclude some categories of migrants. Trump said in a recent interview with NBC, for example, that he wanted to work with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers, immigrants in the U.S. illegally who were brought as children, from deportation. Backers of hard-line immigration policies view an exemption for Dreamers, who often have bipartisan support, as a slippery slope.
Trump Wants Deal to Protect Dreamers
On December 24, 2024, I noted Trump Backs Down From Strong Sweeping Deportation Promise
Please note the obvious: Trump cannot deport them if there is a deal for dreamers.
So, one way or another Trump will and won’t do what he says.
Trump’s Choice
- Trump can try (and fail) to deport them all.
- Trump can opt for a deal with Democrats to come up with legislation to protect Dreamers.
Since Trump has made both statements, which one is false?
The latter would rid of hard criminals much faster and not create a massive stagflationary job shortage.
Trump also made similar Dreamer statements to the Wall Street Journal.
A Complicated Subject
Please consider Trump’s November 11 Wall Street Journal Interview.
When he visited the Journal recently, we asked about aliens who have been here for years, who might have U.S. citizen spouses and children. His response was that he wanted to help them.
“We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it,” Mr. Trump said. “This has been going on for a long time. It’s a complicated subject.” He declined to specify whom he’d deport: “I don’t want to go too much into clarification, because the nicer I become, the more people that come over illegally.” Yet after stringent talk about deterrence, he ended with nuance: “There are some human questions that get in the way of being perfect, and we have to have the heart, too.”
Trump wants to have a heart. And we have a lot of good people in the country, Well Fancy that!
So, should we “deport them all” despite the fact Trump says that it’s a “complicated subject“, and “we have to have the heart, too.”
Which Trump Is It?
- “We have a lot of good people in this country, and we have to do something about it”
- “We need to deport them all.”
I ask again, which one of those contradictory statements is false?
Not to worry, in Trumpland, both are obviously true because Trump always does what he says.
But in the real world, will Trump 1) make a good deal in response to a bad situation or 2) do something stupid?
Recall my reply to Fallacy Hunter: I am on record of being in favor of 1. Sealing the border 2. sending back criminals (not counting just being here) 3. Developing a sensible immigration policy 4. Not doing something stupid that could collapse our economy.
My position is also the twice stated position of Trump, once to the Wall Street Journal and once to NBC. I was there first.
What Kind of Deal?
I discussed a sensible deal in The New Home for Hispanics is the Republican Party
Trump will not be as stupid as the Ape coalition wants.
However, to get a deal Trump might need to take a tough line, and that is happening now.
The quicker the deal, the faster we get rid of hard criminals! And we end needless labor market uncertainty too.
Related Posts
January 24, 2025: What Were the US Senators Thinking When They Debated the 14th Amendment?
The 14th amendment is clear because the 1866 debate over the amendment is clear. It will take a constitutional amendment to change that.
That’s my position, and it has nothing to do with whether or not change is desirable. People confuse the two ideas.
January 11, 2025: “A Blinding Flash of Common Sense” from Democrats on Illegal Immigration
The above post sets a good tone for a workable deal.
Did anyone change their mind?